When the holy name is said to be Nama, Chintamani, Krishna, and why do we need to chant the Gayathri Mantra and why do we have a separate initiation for getting the Gayathri Mantra? We can look at it at three levels. At a devotional level, at a cultural level, and at a personal level. At a devotional level, sometimes there is a tendency to reduce the entirety of bhakti to one particular limb of bhakti based on a particular set of verses.

So, while the holy name is extremely important, at the same time, it’s ultimately about developing a relationship with Krishna. Bhagavatam says that, towards the conclusion that, And yet, for the last seven days of Parikshit Maharaj’s life, Shivdev Goswami does not say that we just chant the holy names. They discuss Krishna, which involves a significant level of philosophy and also a number of variated pastimes of various manifestations of the Lord.

Why? Because ultimately it’s a matter of fixing the mind of Krishna and developing a real and a rich relationship with Krishna. The holy name is undoubtedly an extremely important means by which we can develop that relationship. At the same time, it’s about a relationship.

And that relationship with Krishna includes various aspects in the world. If we say the holy name is everything, then why do we need to do deity worship? Why do we need to study Shastra? Why even have other limbs of bhakti at all? So in that sense, the relationship with Krishna can also include elements of the world which we can use in this service. And at an individual level, one person might find a total absorption in Krishna through the chanting of the holy names.

And yet others may not. But when we form a community, we form an institution, we form a tradition, a sampradaya, then many other factors come into play. That tradition also has to be accepted and respected in the broader community within which it belongs.

There needs to be a healthy tension where there are some points of connection and some points of difference. If there is total connection of any particular tradition with the broader culture, then it loses its street identity. If there is complete difference and no points of connection, then that tradition is seen as alien and suspicious and is constantly threatened.

So every tradition tries to create bridges with the broader culture within which it lives. And when the bhakti tradition gains its authority from bhakti texts, those texts themselves are not considered authoritative or not necessarily supremely authoritative by the entire community of Vedic followers. And therefore, every tradition needs to do certain things to gain acceptance and respectability within the broader culture and community and civilization in which it lives.

So one of the things that the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition had to do, for example, was to write a commentary on the Vedanta Sutra although Chaitanya Mahaprabhu said that there is no need for it. Why? Because the very authenticity of our tradition was questioned at the time of Vande Vidya Bhakti. And what was not necessary at one particular time, what was considered a disobedience to Mahaprabhu’s explicit words became necessary to protect and perpetuate the mission that Mahaprabhu came for.

So similarly, within the bhakti tradition, there is always an attempt to differentiate itself from the orthodox brahminical tradition that was there at the time when the Vedanta tradition started gaining prominence. And there is also an attempt to connect with and be respected by, or at least accepted by, the orthodox brahminical tradition. By orthodox, I am talking about not what is orthodox is now, but what was orthodox at that time, what was established in the institute at that time.

So, adopting some of the rituals that were considered important for people who are respected in the Vedic tradition, such as adopting the Gayatri Mantra, was something which the bhakti tradition consistently did to connect with the broader culture. And of course, even by accepting elements of the broader culture, the bhakti tradition often gives certain insights about how we can see even such aspects more devotional. So our tradition may give a more devotional understanding of the Gayatri Mantra.

This understanding may not be accepted by others, but the very fact that we have a process by which we accept people and give them the Gayatri Mantra becomes important. Just like in today’s world, we may equip devotees to answer certain scientific questions about, say, the nature of the soul and the scientific evidence for the existence of the soul or the scientific evidence for the existence of God. This was not done in the tradition and the Hare Krishna Mahamantra is fully coated.

But for one’s own conviction, for one’s capacity to get acceptance and respect, a lot of other things are required. The third point is from a personal perspective, that ultimately, we need as many resources as possible for remembering Krishna and connecting with Krishna. Rather than seeing the Gayatri Mantra as non-devotional, we see it as a part of the various gifts that Krishna has given.

And some devotees can use those gifts. Some may give more emphasis to it, some may give less emphasis to it. That’s okay.

But the idea is that we use those gifts to connect more with Krishna. That’s how we grow in our life. The Gayatri Mantra requires a certain level of Sattva Puna to be chanted in a way that is important.

And the Gayatri Mantra may not take us to Goloka Vrindavan, which is the Guru Gayatri Mantra. But that journey from the beginning of Sattva to the Brahman level, where one becomes free from material craving and anger, that journey can be accelerated by the chanting of the Gayatri Mantra. And thus, it can help us as an aid in achieving the ultimate purpose that the Bhakti tradition considers the highest, which is the real appreciation.

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If we don’t like to do something when we are a part of a community organization, just so that we are seen to be doing something valuable or something important, we want to do something which we feel is actually of value. But then those services are not valued in the community and then although we are doing something significant, but it is perceived as if we are not doing anything significant because we are not doing the visible services that are considered valuable by the community leaders. What should we do in such situations? In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna uses the word dharma in multiple senses.

So let’s look at some of the usages in the Gita itself. Arjuna is using it in 2.7. He is talking about what is the right thing for me to do. And then when Krishna says that, there he is using dharma in the sense of establishing the social order.

So, broadly speaking, while the word dharma has many different meanings, in one context it is harmonious belonging. For example, if we are driving on the road, then we following the rules of road traffic is the dharma that we need to follow. So the individual needs to adjust and adapt to the rules of the larger whole that they belong to or seek to belong to or they just are a part of.

At the same time, the larger whole also needs to be reciprocating with the individuals who belong harmoniously. So, for example, the rules need to be applied fairly. People of a particular demographic should not be pulled over more and others pulled over less or some people who are wealthy are allowed to get away and others are targeted because they do not have the influence.

That means we need to do our part for the whole and the whole needs to do its part for us. And when we say dharmasya glani can happen, it can happen in both ways where the individual is no longer doing the part and also the whole is not doing its part. Generally speaking, in any political system, there is the left and the right.

Here by using, I am using the word political, I am not using it in the sense of negative sense of being manipulating and all those things that are associated with politics. I am using it simply in the functional sense of administration. So, in any administrative setup, there will inevitably be the left and the right.

So the left is generally concerned about those who are left out by the existing system. The right is concerned about what is right with the existing system. So in general, the right tends to be conservative.

The system is good. You need to adjust and fit into the system. So the right focuses more on individuals aligning with the system and doing their dharma.

The left focuses more on the society or the larger whole and that reforming itself so that it also does its dharma and fairly reciprocates with and rewards everyone. So therefore, each individual will have to decide how important belonging to a particular larger whole is for them. And accordingly, they may have to choose their actions especially with respect to doing what is expected by the larger whole for them.

We may still be doing something valuable for the tradition but it may not be valued by the institution or it may not be valued by a particular branch of the institution where there is a particular ethos set up. So we may have to decide whether we want to belong to that particular branch or we can choose to belong to some other branch. In general, the individual may often want a certain level of autonomy and the larger whole may want a certain level of harmony.

Who is right? It depends. Autonomy taken too far can lead to anarchy. Harmony taken too far can lead to homogeneity where there is a complete crushing of or erasure of individuality.

In anarchy, there is no order at all and nothing gets done. People may even work at cross purposes sabotaging each other. So if we have a greater need for autonomy, then we need to acknowledge that we may not get a certain level of facility because the facility is available with the leaders of the larger whole and they will give facility to those who exhibit a certain level of harmony with the larger whole.

In general, in no organizational set up will one get total autonomy and total facility together or even a high level of autonomy and a high level of facility together. So, some organizations may facilitate certain maverick researchers and they may be given no structure, no clear tasks and they might just come up with a brainwave that changes the whole industry. Still at the end, something will be expected from them.

They cannot just be doing research on subjects entirely of their own interest which have nothing to do with the organization’s purpose and its bottom line. So my understanding is that if certain kind of facilities say such as initiation, second initiation or something like that is required for us within the institutional structure, then we may have to do one of two things. Either sacrifice on our autonomy and come to a greater level of harmony with the expectations of the leaders or find out some other larger whole where that autonomy is respected and valued and which is also capable of giving us that facility.

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If a woman who is introduced to bhakti asks, why do I need to get married? And even if I get married, why do I need to have children? How do we answer? I’ll answer in three points. First is, what is our purpose in attracting, in inviting or attracting people to practice Krishna consciousness? So, that will be the spiritual side. Then I’ll talk about the social psychological side.

And then third, I’ll talk about how we act in such situations at a practical level. So, first is at a spiritual level, our purpose is to spread Krishna consciousness. Our purpose is not to get people, whether men or women, to get married or to have children.

So, if somebody is coming to Krishna, they should never be made to feel that if I become a devotee, this is what I’ll have to do. And this is an essential part of being a devotee. It may be an essential part of the social fabric in which bhakti had been practiced in the past.

And not just that social fabric, but the social fabric of the world at large. But somebody may choose not to get married, somebody may choose not to have children. And at one level, that is their individual business.

So, there are things which are non-negotiable in Krishna consciousness and there are things which are negotiable. Sometimes, if we present a very digital version of bhakti, this is bhakti and this is not bhakti, one zero. Then, because of many things which are not centrally important in bhakti, people may go away from the path of bhakti.

They think, I cannot do this. So, just on the male side, sometimes if somebody is introduced to bhakti by a very strong brahmachari preacher, that person may start thinking that if I don’t become a brahmachari, I won’t be a serious devotee. And if they find that they can’t stay a brahmachari, then they don’t become a grahastha.

They think grahasthas are fallen and they just leave bhakti completely. So, no ashram is like a necessary thing for practicing bhakti. So, that’s the first thing.

What people do in their personal lives is not the most important thing for us. Our most important thing is that they learn to practice bhakti by chanting Jani Krishna’s name, by studying the scriptures and drawing their consciousness towards Krishna. Now, having said that Srila Prabhupada didn’t just want Krishna consciousness, he wanted a society for Krishna consciousness.

And that’s why it’s not just a university for Krishna consciousness. It’s not an academy for Krishna consciousness. It’s a society.

And that’s why the social fabric also is important. Now, in general, when women don’t want to get married or have children, there are many reasons for that. And those reasons may at an individual level need to be understood and addressed.

Especially if we are closely connecting with someone and training them or guiding them on the path of bhakti. However, at a broad level, I’ve seen there are three main reasons. One is that women may have had bad experience with men and they feel that no man can be trusted.

Second is that they feel marriage and motherhood are basically going to inhibit them, restrict them from having a full life. Maybe they are very ambitious in their career. They will be constricted in that.

And third is that they feel that that kind of role, that gender role of being a wife and a mother is a part of a patriarchal social structure. And they don’t want to be a part of that. So, it could be more of a personal emotional reason.

It could be a more professional reason. And it could be a more intellectual, philosophical, ideological reason. So, if it’s a personal emotional, if it’s more like an emotional psychological reason, then it’s going to take some time to heal.

Probably, if they see examples of stable marriages in the community, no marriage is without conflicts and problems, but there is also a cultured and dignified way to deal with the conflicts and problems. And maybe they have to practice bhakti for some time and they have to see how there is a possibility for healthy and happy marriages to work. And gradually, maybe by seeing men who are not just out to exploit women, but who are actually God-conscious men, gradually their faith in the male side of humanity will be restored.

We cannot force this process. Second is that they feel it will impede them professionally. And yes, there is truth to that.

At the same time, we have to think what actually brings fulfillment in life. From the Vedic perspective, there is varna and ashram both. So, broadly varna refers to our talents and our career and our contribution accordingly within the career.

And ashram refers to our relationship and what kind of focus we have within our relationships. So, basically, fulfilling human life requires both connection and contribution. Now, biology has designed humanity in such a way that the males focus more on contribution in terms of going out into the world and working.

And women focus more on connecting, keeping the whole family together, having children, connecting with the children. And traditionally, women could also do some varna. The idea that women should not have jobs or that is against Vedic culture is not an idea that is supported by Vedic culture.

The gopis themselves would sell butter and curd and other things. In Krishnalaya, there is the fruit vendor lady. But the point is that in general, for a woman, the ashram is more important than the varna.

In the past, women, whatever jobs they were able to do, whatever work they were able to do, women might have some talents, they might do some things. They were able to do it in a way that they also took care of the family. Of course, in the past, we could say life was tougher.

Much of the work outside was much more physically demanding work. And the male body was more suited for that. But anyway, historically, as things change, especially the post-industrial revolution and everything, jobs started going far away from homes, cottage industries went away.

And women had to basically choose between ashram and varna. And biology forced them to choose ashram. Because once you have children, you have to take care of children.

Then, over a period of time, resentment started coming up. And as feminism, as ideology developed, and as technology developed, through various means, birth control pills, abortion and other things, then women got an opportunity to subordinate biology. So that they could pursue varna while at the cost of ashram.

Over a period of time, now it has been made that women should focus only on varna, and ashram is not at all important. You can be happy on your own. You don’t need a family.

You don’t need anybody else to take care of you. It may well be true that a woman can go through life on its own. But nobody can be fully satisfied with only a career.

Even if you ask most men, even high-performing men who are very professionally successful, why are they doing it? They may say they want prestige in society, they want power, and all that is true. But at the end of it, they are doing it for the family. So, even the male heart cannot be satisfied only with a career.

So, women have been uniquely gifted by nature, by biology, ultimately by God, with a capacity to nurture. Women have a more well-developed emotional side, by which even when small babies who are not at all rational in their behavior can be taken care of very well by a woman much more than a man. Men will be very rational and will just not be able to deal with babies whose behavior is largely irrational.

So, the woman’s greater emotionality is also a gift. And we all have a need to nurture, that take care of someone else. And ultimately the choice is that will we be something for everyone or everything for someone.

What do I mean by something for everyone? Something for everyone means somebody becomes a manager in a company, somebody becomes a career woman. Well, from the corporate perspective, whether it is for your colleagues or whether it is for your clients, you are replaceable. If you are not there, somebody will replace you.

You will become something for everyone. Or you become everything for someone. For a newborn child, a mother is everything.

And that need to nurture is very much there within us. It is there for men, it is there for women. And many times when somebody chooses not to have a baby, they end up adopting a pet and taking care of that pet and lavishing all their affection on the pet.

So, this is not a criticism of pets at all. It is just that the need to nurture cannot be denied. And by the age of 40, 45, 50, one can start feeling extremely lonely and empty in their lives.

Now, is it possible that one can enter into a relationship and the relationship can go south and one may end up in the same place? Yes, that’s also possible. That’s a risk. No, nothing in life comes without risks.

So, one needs to be careful about what kind of relationship one enters into. But the notion that marriage and motherhood will restrict a woman professionally, it’s a very one-sided idea because we are not defined by our profession alone. A holistic life requires various things and relationships are also a very important part of that.

So, many times a woman can pursue her career after her children have grown up a little bit. And maybe the years that were invested, some people will say lost in taking care of children, but invested in taking care of children, maybe that means they will not rise as much in their career as much as they would have. But they will have a more fulfilling life.

A few decades, feminism arose about 200 years ago. A few decades or even a few centuries of ideology cannot overturn the history of humanity. And the idea is that women lose autonomy.

Women come under the control of a man. And that’s not necessary. It depends on how the marriage works out.

And the idea of autonomy itself is highly overrated. It is before say 300, 400, 500 years ago, even men did not have much autonomy. For most people, whether in India or the caste system, in the West it was the class system, whichever family you were born in, that’s what your career would be in future.

If somebody was born a peasant, then they would probably be a peasant. If somebody was born a barber, what we call upward mobility was very much absent in feudal society. So men also did not have much autonomy.

A few men who might be in royalty or aristocracy had power. And sometimes a few women also had power, maybe lesser. So the idea that autonomy is lost, yes, autonomy is lost.

But sometimes the loss of autonomy is what brings intimacy. It is what brings community. It is what actually the human heart doesn’t just want to be free.

We want to be free and we also want to belong. We also want to love and be loved. So that’s more at a professional level.

And the last part is at an ideological level also. Are you joining a patriarchy? And you want to rebel against patriarchy? Well, ultimately we all want to be happy. And has a patriarchal society led to some problems? Yes, it has led to problems.

And are there ways to correct that? I think every family finds their own way of negotiating relationships. Maybe in the past it was more like a top-down kind of thing. The man was in charge and the woman listened to the man.

But even if you look at history, women always had a voice. And in today’s world, it is not that when a woman gets married, she is going to have to enter into some rigidly patriarchal family structure. Each husband and wife will find out the dynamic with which their relationship works the best.

Society today is very different from the way it was in the past. Just as we can’t parent our children the way our parents parented us. So a husband-wife relationship today will also not be the same way it was 30 or 50 years ago.

So now, having said this, the last point to make is that ultimately, we should not force people to make a particular choice. That we can encourage people, we can try to answer their questions, address their reservations. And after that, it’s up to them.

If a woman doesn’t want to get married, she should not be guilted by constant social pressure into marriage. Now, it should not be assumed that she will be a threat to other families, other men in the community. It may be, it may not be also.

So, is our society evolved to that much extent? And some people may not even consider evolution. But we need to be able to accommodate everyone in Krishna Bhakti. And how exactly that will happen? It depends.

Many churches have… Churches, especially the protestant churches, don’t accept the idea of either monks or nuns. Catholics do for both. But protestants, they have neither.

But still they have forums for single women, even single mothers also. And as our society integrates with mainstream society, or at least starts needing to function within the way the mainstream society is, such support structures may also be created. But on one side, we need to… we can’t force somebody to do something because if things go wrong thereafter, then they’ll blame us.

And it’s not just that they’ll blame us. We don’t want to be just… I don’t want to be blamed, that’s why I won’t get married. But it’s that everybody has individual choice.

Having said that, we also need to alert people that we are a traditional society. We are an old tradition. And we are a part of an old tradition that has survived for thousands of years.

And because it’s an old tradition, it’s not going to change quickly. And if you really want to be a part of something time-tested, you wouldn’t want it to change every five minutes. So therefore, there will be certain lack of acceptance or a certain level of lesser acceptance that they may encounter if they choose to stay single consciously.

Maybe there will be some communities which will be more accepting and some communities which will be utterly non-accepting. Each community within the broader Krishna Consciousness movement will have its own ethos. So, Krishna Consciousness doesn’t depend on a person getting married or having children, even a woman getting married or having children.

But one’s role and one’s respectability in a community, in a particular community, may be affected by that. And one may need to be ready to accept that and keep one’s relationship with Krishna as a higher priority and still move on in that path. So, to summarize, three things.

First is, if a woman doesn’t want to marry because she’s been psychologically scarred, then first is that we should not make them think that they can’t practice Krishna Consciousness without getting married or having children. Second is that, if they’ve been psychologically scarred, then they’ve been given time to heal the scars by seeing stable families and trustworthy men who are actually devoted to God and are not simply waiting for a chance to exploit women. If they have some professional reservations, then maybe we need to help them to see what actually makes for a fulfilling life.

It’s not just a career. It’s not just a contribution to our career, but it’s also a connection through family. If they have ideological reservations about feminism, then we need to know that feminism is actually a historically untested ideology, especially radical feminism.

And humanity has worked in a particular way. And while we want autonomy, we also want intimacy and community. And there’s a price for that.

And lastly, we tell them that it’s up to… you can practice Krishna Consciousness in whatever way you want. At the same time, because we are a part of an old tradition and things don’t change rapidly, nor should they in a time-honored tradition. Therefore, they may encounter a certain level of non-appreciation and they need to be ready for that.

Maybe they can find a community where that non-appreciation is lesser. Krishna Consciousness also has many versions based on the ethos of a particular community. They can find a place in Krishna Consciousness, but they may not find a place in a particular community in Krishna Consciousness.

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Today on the sacred of teaching, I will speak on the topic of Krishna’s or God’s love for us and our love for us. Specifically, I talk about the topic of, does God care? There are so many things that go wrong in the world. So many things go wrong in our own lives. And when such things happen, it’s natural to get this question.

That even if we accept that godliness, does god care? And oh, lord. He is god in whatever manifestations, conceptions of god are there across the world. For god Nasimuddin, they are one of the happiest manifestations. So the lord, his anger is actually a demonstration that he cares.

So, generally, we get angry about things that we care about. And his his very anger at every form that is manifesting on the Bible, that indicates that he cares, and he cares deeply. So the Lord in his form of Nasimadev is half man. He’s half loyal. He’s half man, half loyal, and full God.

He’s fully manifesting divinity, especially in the divine manner, matter of divine power and divine, specifically, anger. So I recently written a small book on the Bhagavad Gita. It is praise inspired word. Can all of you see this? Yes.

So we will read something from this book and how it relates to the theme of how the lord cares and what does it mean. So basically, in this book, I have taken verses from the Bhagavad Gita and we use them as inspirations for offering prayers to the lord. The Gita is not just a source of wisdom. The Gita is not different from Krishna. The Gita’s verses are like mantras.

They are also like Krishna. So you can offer prayers inspired by those verses. So I’ll take one such one such verse, and then we talk about the Lord’s so basically, in this book, there’s one beautiful picture of deity of Krishna on each page. Then there is one prayer which is like a spiritual or emotional affirmation. Then there’s the Gita words, and then the translation of the Gita words in a poetic form, so that you can feel a more emotional connect with Krishna and with the words of the Gita.

After all, the Gita is a song. But sometimes the philosophy of the Gita, we may forget it’s a song. And then there is a prayer offered based on that. So I will talk about this. So let’s so I’ll read something out.

Do we have a second mic for any chance? Second mic for people to ask your reader or facilitate it. I’ll need to set one up with you. No. It’s okay.

No. It’s okay. So anyway so you can repeat after me. You just repeat. My dear lord My dear lord.

Let your smiling amid my suffering strengthen my faith, not weaken it, This is the context of the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna is just beginning to speak to Arjuna. Krishna starts speaking from 2.11. This is 2.1. So those of you comfort with Sanskrit can decide the words after me.

The Lord of the senses spoke with a gentle grace. A doming smile playing upon his divine face. Between the eyes, standing calm and bright, he so laced Arjuna was blending his bride. So this is Krishna and Arjuna in the battlefield. And the key point in this verse is that the contrast.

Arjuna is crying. Arjuna is tears. And Krishna is smiling. The different, people are born in your own families unless they have different reason. What what is the reason?

This is, I have so many problems in my life. Whenever I go to temple, Krishna is smiling all the time. So, yes, it can appear that we are facing so many challenges in life. And does Krishna care? Now we may have some challenges.

If you look at the story of Prahlad and Nasim, Prahlad faced far more challenges than what he faced. It was not just challenges, it was threats threats to his life. And if you see, Prahlad could have had the reason to ask this question even more than us in many ways. Because for him, Sikhiweg, our problems may come from many sources. Generally, when we face problems in life, the problems are broadly because of three factors.

The problem will come because of just the nature of the world. Nature of the world means that if we live in a place which is very cold and it complains so cold, it’s so cold, it’s so cold. Now let’s just say what you’re saying is so old, so old, so old. You get used to it. That’s how it is.

Sometimes the problems may come because of the nature or more precisely it could nature or behavior of the Mhmm. So nature of the world that blocks broadly in many contexts is called as Adi Dahi Klish. Just the nature of the world. Then there is Adi Bhauti Klish. Nature of people or the behavior of people.

So there could be mosquitoes which bite us, and there could be human beings who bite. There are mosquitoes, there’s and then there’s mother-in-law. So we have problems coming from people around us. The nature of people or the behavior of people. And then the third source of problem is the nature or behavior of ourselves.

This is sometimes a hard pill to swallow, But many times, if you see the problem that have come in our life, they have come because of our own actions. Sometimes we get angry over trivial things. Sometimes we end up indulging in things we should not be indulging. Sometimes we make some rash moves, and then we get into trouble. So these are broadly they are are the ethnic.

So now when the sufferings come in life, naturally, we may not miss God. Please help me. Please help me, oh lord. So when sufferings come because of the nature of the world, that’s one thing. You just have to okay.

I’ll look with it. It. Now in the case of Prahlad so this boy has talked with him afterwards. I don’t know what it was typical, teenage adolescence is just going through that phase. The hormones are growing, one is trying to deal with peer pressure, trying to find one’s place and buy.

It’s a difficult phase. I once I did I have done some writing seminars, attended some, I have conducted some also. So many times people say that, I would like to write, but I don’t have ideas. Where do you get ideas to go? Some people have too many ideas, but they don’t have the patience to translate the ideas into reality.

So this is a so one of the answers I give is if you have survived image, you have enough stories to tell for a lifetime. Especially if you have survived image in a culture that is radically different from our traditional culture, our family culture. This is a very tough period. But there are just a group of pains that are there. But if you consider the situation of Prahlad, his pains, we could say, among these three which are the category of the pains you said?

Was it because of nature of the world, nature of people, nature of others, his own behavior? Which was it? The nature of the people. People. Sorry.

How the Bhagavad Gita is depicting this or how the story unfolds that his own father is out to kill him. And this is about to happen. It is probably for the child who is growing up. It’s the most psychological scarring thing that can be imagined. The person who’s supposed to be a protector.

Now, sometimes the parents are just negligent. That itself is a problem. But if the parent is violent, now it is violent because of okay. He will drink alcohol, and we are alcohol abuse, these domestic violence, something like that. That’s terrible.

But this is it is not, like, anger that is causing come from somewhere else, and this was the child gets caught in the crossfire. It is anger directed at the child itself. And it’s knowingly it’s not just like a rush of temper. We’ll talk about why it is not. It it can be enormously scarring for a person, for a child who is growing up.

The very person who is supposed to be a protector is out to destroy me. What kind of world is this? What kind of god would be there who would allow such a thing to happen in the world? So he could easily have asked this question. And now, is it now why was his father angry with him?

Because of his devotion. So he could say that Prahlad could have said that it is not because of the nature of the world that the problem is coming my the problems are solely because of my devotion to you. Isn’t it? It’s all not all, but the main thing Hiranyak Kishipu wanted was that, Prahlad, you stop worshiping Vishnu. He considered the one point of Vishnu to plead like a disease.

He says, this is a terrible thing. Stop it right away. See, for us, most of the times, we consider the relationship if we are practicing devotion and our situation in the world. So whatever situation you’re going to do, if you practice devotion, we expect that the devotion should improve our situation. Now that in many ways, we expect it to improve.

We may in the past, it was more of a karma kanda where God, that, oh, father, thou art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, givers are dealing with them. So people in the past will look for physical needs, physical improvement, to all in daily rains so that any harvest is bound in. And now people may turn towards god, not so much for physical needs, but more for psychological needs. Oh, god. Please give me peace of mind.

One of the most common reasons that we ask people, why do you come to a temple? It is not many people come because of the love for god. Nothing wrong with it. It’s to appreciate whatever reason we come. We come for peace of mind.

And that’s also improvement. It’s a big improvement. Now it’s, it’s very you can’t just buy peace of mind with a pen. So we expect that our devotion should improve our worldly situation. Now in the case of Prahlad, his devotion itself is the cause of the worsening of his worldly situation.

Now when this happens, you know, we practice bhakti. Use a very wonderful, definition of Krishna consciousness. It’s how he says he asked, how will you know that we are Krishna conscious? So he says, if you come in from the temple, come in the temple, come in from the deity. And if you feel that deity is asking us, Krishna is asking us, what are you doing for me?

What are you doing for me? We are all meant to be of loving service to the lord. So, naturally, the lord will ask, what what service are you doing? So if you have that mood, if you feel that, that Krishna is asking, what are you doing for me? That is Krishna consciousness.

Now many times when people come to a temple, their question is, God, what are you doing for me? I have this problem. I have this problem, and I did this pooja, and I did this tapas. It’s time for you. It’s time for you to pay up now.

Come on. Do something. So So, normally, we expect our devotion to improve our situation. And if even the situation does not improve, we get agitated. We start thinking, should I be worshiping god?

Okay. Well, I think this is not working for us. So so now but if our situation starts worsening because of our is natural for any person when they practice in bhakti to get the question. So let’s look a little bit at the prayer order. So do we have another mic?

No. It’s gonna take some time. No. I’m not touching one. So maybe someone has a mic in their throat.

Somebody will hear it loudly. Oh, yes, sir. Please. Can you read the first paragraph? Oh my lord.

Many are the times when I feel lost and lonely, confronted with the perplexities of life. At those times when nothing I do seems to be working, I cannot help but wonder, do you, oh lord, know my plight? Yes. So now we will theoretically know if Krishna is commissioned. Krishna knows everything.

But does Krishna know my situation right now? But does Krishna know how to cope with the situation right now? And does Krishna knows that he came for the situation. So Prahlad is being threatened. He he was practicing his devotion, and he was not even trying to impose his devotion with his father.

It was only his father to ask some questions. That’s the time he would speak. He wanted to learn in your school, and he would speak sublimely sweet points, And those sublimely sweet points would drive his father into a wild rage. So and his father, it’s like the the story that he undergoes, we will go over the story and especially focusing on the climax and on the simulated audience. So how things evolve at that particular time.

So essentially, we see the descent into into depravity, into brutality. Redekashiko is a brutal person, but even everybody, no matter how bad they are, they have some boundaries. That, say, if somebody’s a criminal, they say, I want to rob, but, you know, I don’t want to hurt anyone. Or even somebody who’s a Okay? I will kill, but I am not gonna be killed.

You know, so everybody has certain boundaries. So initially, when Hiranyakashipo sees that his son is, is talking about bhakti, He, Hiradevan Shubhas defined his life by being anti God. He’s not just an atheist, he’s a anti theist. Antitheist. His purpose of life is to destroy Vishnu.

He’s teasing that I will perform more and more austerities, and by the power of Tapasya, I will destroy an issue. And he thinks that, okay, he thinks that Vishnu is so scared of him, Vishnu has disappeared. So I can’t find Vishnu anywhere. If I find him, I’ll destroy him. But till I can’t destroy him, I will destroy all signs of worship of him.

And that’s why he sends his demons to destroy all the sacred releases, all the Yedgesthales. Right? Yedgesthales over here. So, watching that again, remembering this past in this past, what he said is, destroy all signs of worship of him. That and, like, eight people he he has a great ego, and people who have a lot of ego, what happens is the one thing they cannot tolerate is being ignored.

You have a person who has a lot of ego and they come to a particular place, and nobody notices them. They are enraged. So he now he has a lot of ego. He wants to throw around this weight and dominate people, so he thinks Vishnu is like that. So he thinks that if I stop the worship of Vishnu, if I completely end the worship of Vishnu, then Vishnu, because of his ego, will come out from where he is.

And then I can catch you and I can kill you. That’s why he stops all worship. And then his situation is he stops the worship of Vishnu practically all over the universe, and then he finds that very worship of Vishnu which is stopped all over the universe, that worship is happening in his own home. So this is infuriating for him. He thinks that so, he thinks, okay, my child is a small child.

So, normally, what we try to do is that if we like someone, then even if they do something bad, we try to give them the benefit of the doubt. And that’s how it should be, that if we like someone and, say, they eat too much food. Maybe we have prepared meal for four people, and they eat the meal of three people. And then one person has to the remaining three people have to share one person’s meal. Or maybe they have a special dessert and they eat two of the dessert.

Then if we dislike that person, we’ll say, so what a clatter? No sense control. But if we like that person, we’ll say, oh, maybe maybe he was very hungry. Maybe he didn’t do little limited food. We’ll try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

So generally, what happens, we try to find the blade somewhere else. So like that, Virani Krishu says, okay, my son is nice, but maybe some of these Vaishnavas have somehow come and infected. So although he has tried to remove all devotion, but he still know that some people still are practicing Magdi. So he first warns his students, his teachers, you should watch out. You should not let my children, my child associate with bad people.

So for him, devotee the bad people. Not associate, not let them associate. And then he let them off with a warning. Second time it happens. Again, Maharaj said the same thing.

This time he’s angry here. This knocks for a lot of time. Oh. And then he again calls his teachers. He says, okay.

Okay. Now we’ll take care of it. So now that the sequence that is described in different narrative, there is a, there is the Mahabharata, there is the there is Simma Purana, there is the Vishnu Purana, there are other Puranas where some is some narrative is the sequence is described slightly differently. This could refer to how different Kalpas things happen. But the point is that slowly, he starts recognizing first he gets he get he blames the Vaishnav also coming.

Then he blames his teachers, his students’ teachers. You are not taking care of him. And then finally, he says the act, this child, this child is the problem. And then, there is a difference between anger and danger. So anger generally is hot headed.

When we are angry about something, it arises from the circumstances and it stays for some time. Anger is hot headed. But what Hiranyakashipu exhibits is not anger, it is hate. Hate is cold blooded. It is not just one moment of anger that is, oh, this Palla needs to be killed.

We always speak like that. I’ll kill you if you do this. One devotees suddenly showed me, that that child had run up run away, and then the child came back. And then I was talking with the child. It was just a small misunderstanding.

The child had just taken too seriously. The parents but the parent, the father showed me a small clipping, and they were laughing. So there’s a there’s a mother. Her daughter has run away. And she’s a Christian.

She’s praying to God. Oh, God. Please let her be please let my child be safe, and let her come home safely so that I can kill her. So the idea here is that sometimes you may use the word and kill you. So that’s in a very nonlitrous sense.

It’s an expression of anger. But in this case, it was real. He said that, you know, if a part of the body gets infected, then we need to cut out the part, otherwise everything will get infected. So he said like that, and therefore, I need to kiss him. So see, here, what he’s doing is, sometimes when we do something bad, we might just do it in a rage.

So when anger comes up, anger just sidelines our intelligence. No? Sidelines means this put pushes aside. But when hate comes, hate doesn’t sideline the intelligence. Hate recruits the intelligence.

Recruit the intelligence means we use our intelligence to make a plan how to do it and how to justify it or stop it. This is where we rationalize. And if you heard the word rationalize? So when we rationalize, what happens? We tell rational lies.

And when we rationalize, we tell rational lies. So he’s justifying the killing of his own son by saying this is like a seizure, the disease has to be removed. So then, it tries to kill I was talking earlier about boundaries. Even bad people have some boundaries. One of my friends is awarded for a jail.

So he says, even more prisoners, if the prisoners come to jail because of some child abuse, even prisoners look like children. Then the child those child abusers are kept in some kept in some they’re kept in seclusion, solid confinement. Otherwise, prisoners will harm the person there. So everybody has boundaries. So even Hirany Kishipu has some boundaries initially.

He thinks this is my son, I cannot kill him. So he tells others to do the dirty work. He says he has assistance. You kill him. Now they all try to kill him, but none of them succeed.

And often, this is seen as a miracle. And yes, it is. That the miracle is he’s thrown down a mountain and nothing happens to him. He’s kept at a burning fire. He is bitten by snakes.

He’s put in the path of trumpeting elephants. And none of those efforts, they were injured. So that is a miracle. However, if you look at Vaishnavacharya’s commentaries, look at the commentary, that is not the biggest miracle. See, miracles are basically broadly, they could be of two kinds.

One is things that happen to us. Things that happen to us. To us means that something as she happens. So here, he’s threatened, and he’s he’s no power, Prahlaj, just a small five year old boy. As a five year old boy, how can he defend against anyone?

He’s cut. He survives. So that’s a miracle. But if you look at the Bhakti tradition’s commentaries, the bigger miracle is not his safety. That his safety is definitely miracle.

But the bigger miracle is the things that happen through us. That the bigger miracle is his his purity, his determination, his devotion. The technical word is fidelity. Fidelity is faithfulness. That despite all this happening, his devotion is not cheap.

And that is the bigger miracle. Srila Prabhupada would sometimes be asked, can you perform some miracles? And Prabhupada would often point to his some of his disciples, and he would say, these are my miracles. But what is the miracle over here? The biggest miracle that matters is the change of the human heart.

There can be many miracles that you can have. Somebody can make somebody can make an object disappear, somebody can make an object appear. Many different kind of miracles can happen, and they have some bad now. But the biggest miracle is the change of the human heart. The change of the heart means what?

A person’s heart is directed towards selfishness, towards ego, towards dominating others, and that person becomes selfless, gentle, caring. That’s the change of heart. That’s the miracle which will actually make bring real happiness in our hearts, and that’s the miracle that will bring happiness in the world. So the miracle from the Bhakti tradition is not just that Prahlad survived all these attacks. That is true.

It’s also that Prahlad’s devotion survived. Prahlad’s fidelity to the Lord, his faithfulness to the Lord was unshaken. Not even once did he have second thoughts that I should worship the Lord a lot. And and that is the glory of Shivrabhu bath also. Shivrabhu Bhat came to America.

In many ways, everything that could go wrong went wrong. You know, if some people believe a lot in fate and some people believe in science, you know, okay, this is educated that God wants to do this is educated that God wants to do that. Now, sometimes that’s a science can tell us something, but if you look at the science of what happened, there’s so many signs for Prabhupada. Right on his journey, he got a heart attack. Hey, this is why God doesn’t want me to do this.

And then after that, everywhere he went in Pennsylvania, people the his host treated it like a curiosity object, not a spiritual teacher. He don’t want to give it from me. Then he got to pure heart, and there the person said that, okay, he didn’t say it but he can’t speak, because then his philosophy was different. And finally Prabhupada came to counter culture and just when something good seemed to be happening, there’s one person David Allen who seemed to be about to And then what happened, this person went on he took he had a he used to take drugs before he had a, drug and relapse, and he went crazy and came to attack the robot. And well, is this mission gonna work, ma’am?

These people ever change? No. The fact that Bhopal did not give up his mission, that itself is an error. Even if Prabhupada had not succeeded, the fact that Prabhupada built hundred day temples and all 70 boats inspired millions of people to become devotees, that is definitely miraculous. But the fact that Prabhupada’s devotion survived all their tests, that is also a miracle.

So Pradhalad’s devotion surviving is a miracle. And when the threats come in our life, the question comes, does God care? So when the whole world seems to be screaming to us, no, he doesn’t care. If God had been caring, why would Pranlal be subject to such a danger? Why would Prabhupada have his prospective disciple turn against him and ready to attack him?

So when the world’s world’s evidence seems to be screaming to us, no, God doesn’t care. At that time, are we ready to turn away from the world? Are we ready to hear a source beyond the world? So that is what Purna loves to me. Let’s look at the next paragraph.

Will anyone else like to read? Sure. Yes, please. Yeah. Go on.

If you if you do know is that the one you want me to read it? Yes, please. Yes. If you do know my suffering, then why do you not step forward to stop it? If instead of stepping forward to help me, I came to know that in those moments, you were smiling while I was suffering.

Oh, lord. How would I be able to maintain my devotion to you? Thank you. So basically, here, Arjuna is suffering and Krishna is smiling. So if we come to know that when we are going through something terrible, terrible situation, then the lord is smiling.

Can you even get it? How can you be smiling with this situation? If somebody goes to a therapist and the person is breaking down and the therapist is smiling, you know, probably, the client will sue the therapist for emotional wounds, emotional injury. Isn’t it? How can the child smile, mister Chaim?

So the so at such times, you know, when the world’s evidence doesn’t seem to support our emotion, at the time we need to look beyond the world. We need to look at scriptures. We look at the times in scriptures when there have an interaction between the things in the law. Because Krishna has arranged this world in such a way that the evidence of the world will always be mixed. That sometimes the evidence of the world will strengthen our faith in God.

And sometimes the evidence of the world will question our faith in God. Why? Because this world is made for those souls who do not want to become anything to do with God. Now when I was introduced to Bhakti about thirty years ago, I started, actually, I was introduced to Bhakti my childhood, but I was reintroduced to the philosophical dimension of Bhakti, I’m happy here. So, Satapur, I don’t have anything to do with God.

I don’t need God for anything. So for people that, if this God came Yeah. I don’t care if God cares or not. This we can be apathetic towards it. But for those who are a bit devotionally minded, so so people may come to such conclusions because the world’s evidence will never be completely unambiguous.

So that it’s saying that believers need no reasons, non believers accept no reasons. So the word is such that believers, those who have faith, they will have experiences from within their hearts and confirm their devotion to them. And those are non believers that will come up with some explanations for somehow that actually just takes explanation how this doesn’t go anything. So that’s how things will go on. So that’s why we cannot rely on our eyes alone for the evidence of God’s presence, God’s training, God’s love.

But in history, there are some times when this veil of Maya rings, and then the Lord appears. And the Lord’s love manifests in the world. And those are the times that we need to dwell on. Those are the times which should become the homes for our heart, the homes for our thoughts. And it is by remembering those incidents that we gain strength, we gain perspective.

Now hybrid tradition has such powerful founding stories. So for example, the Jewish tradition, the the journey of the people to the chosen land, that’s the story that they enter it derives straight from. In our tradition, it is the Ramayan, the Mahabal, it is the Mahagotam. Why? Because in daily history, we may not see God’s hands all the time.

But there are some times in history that God’s hand is seen. And those who are to be devoted, they need to be able to remember those times. And that’s how our beings are staying our way. So can we go to the next part? Yes.

Oh, like today? Any other lady? Question, Navees? Yes, please. What is this?

Bless me, darling. Bless me to remember, oh lord, that you are never smiling because I am suffering. It is through my suffering that I’m becoming more open to your calling. So Krishna is not suffering smiling because we are suffering. Krishna is smiling because, say, a a a if there’s a doctor.

And sometimes the doctors, they can they can observe someone, and gaze, you got this disease, you got this disease, but the patient is in denial. I don’t have any disease. So then, the if the disease symptoms are more so slightly, And that’s when the patient comes to doctor. Please, I need your help. So the doctor smiles not because the patient is okay, but because the patient has come to a place where they will get cured.

So it is that when we are going through difficulties, it is not that Krishna doesn’t know our difficulties. We can read this once again. You, my lord. You know my pain. You know my pain.

You feel my pain. You feel my pain. And you want to heal my pain. And you want to heal my pain. So the lord is there, not just somewhere up there, high in the sky, far away.

The lord is in here with us in our own hearts at the bottom. So he knows what we are going through. And if he’s not intervening, then that there’s a reason for that. Now what is that reason? We’ll talk about that, and I’ll conclude.

So this last part will take two hours. So basically, now what we’ll talk about is this one graph which is four quadrant diagram, which explains this concept. That is love and then it’s anger. Now, love and anger, can both of them go together? There are four possibilities.

If there is no love at all and there is no anger, then there is simply apathy. You know, I don’t care for you, and because I don’t care for you, I don’t care what you do also. Once I’ve tried to do mediation between two people, and one of them said, I know you are handling it to other person. No. I’m not handling it.

But if you don’t care for a person at all, it’s apathy. Now if there is no love and there is anger, then that is envy. So there is love no love at all. There is hate. The opposite of love would be hate.

Especially if there’s anger, then that is envy. Now as far as Krishna is concerned, Krishna is never in this category. Krishna always loves everything. So we are talking not from our love perspective. We are talking about the lord’s love.

We are talking about the does the lord care? Does the lord care? So this I can tell you your interpretation. I’m the beneficiary of all many beings. We’ll talk shortly about how.

He’s the beneficiary even of inner. Now now if there is love and there is no end, No. That is sweet expressions of love are there. So when we are someone who cares for us, celebrating these cool sweet ambiance. Now we could talk about romantic love, where there’s a lot of, emotions and hormones and all that.

But when there is not not those hormonal kind of infatuation, but here, there’s a deep sense of ease that is there. We call it serenity. When there is love, and there is nothing to agitate the mother. We’re just being we are happy with being with that person. So that is serenity.

And there are times when there is love and desire. And that actually shows the intensity of the love. So now love can be seen in both ways, through the absence of anger and through the presence of anger. Say, for example, somebody has done something which hurts us a lot. But because we care for that person, we don’t yell at that person.

We try to stay calm. That shows love. Normally, we’ll get very angry and yell at the person, but because that person is very important for us, we try to stay calm. So that’s one aspect. Now suppose somebody is an suppose a child is Mother will give a scolding to the child.

But that scolding is also an expression of love. Now scolding should never be the only expression of love. Then what happened is love is not seen at heart. But the thing is that it is only because I care for you that I’m angry. So sometimes you’ll be angry with the child, you say, for I’m not some mischief or if somebody’s hurting our child.

You know, we will anger that person. That would also be a sign of love. The point is that in the world, that Krishna’s love is there, Krishna when a devotee is going to suffer, it is not that Krishna does not care. So most of the times, that love is seen through the serenity of Krishna. Most of the times what happens is Krishna is severely.

Now now we talk about Krishna and there are a few times in history when Krishna’s anger comes out. That Krishna’s love is expressed through his anger. So now when Krishna is serene, Krishna is peaceful, that doesn’t mean Krishna never cared? Well, not exactly. Krishna cares, and Krishna shows his care by enabling us to also experience serenity even in the middle of the air, even in the middle of the pain.

So this is the amazing thing of bhakti that in bhakti, you will say, what is God doing for me? Does God care? If by bhakti, it’s not just emotion, it’s not how much we dance in khipus. It is not how much we roll in ecstasy. A bhakti is actually how much is our heart centered Krishna.

How much do our thoughts find their own in Krishna? Our thoughts’ own is in Krishna. What does it mean? See, we may for various jobs, we may go to various places, but yeah. You can.

Yeah. Various, jobs, we may go to various places, but as soon as the job is done, we come back home. So like that, we may have to think of various things in the world, but as soon as the things are dilute, our thoughts come back to each other. So for us, when we practice bhakti, what happens is almost mystical, there’s an internal effect of bhakti, and there’s an external effect of bhakti. The internal effect of bhakti will be that we will find that we are peaceful even in chaos.

That if we start practicing bhakti, how do we know Krishna is carrying the external problems are there? But in the past, those problems would have shaken us, shattered us. Now, when you start practicing those problems will seem to affect us so much. And that is Krishna acting from within our heart to calm us. Now Krishna can do that, Krishna will do that, but we need to turn towards him.

We need to fix our memories. We need to remember him. And that’s what I said is the miracle. So was Lord Nrsimhadev not helping Prahlad till all the time when he was being prosecuted? Yes.

Dhanushimade was there. And it was because of the Lord’s presence in Prahlad’s heart that Prahlad would stay calm. Prahlad was not affected. So this is something which I I earlier I said people feel peaceful when they come to the temple. How does that happen?

Actually, we’re coming closer to the presence of Krishna. So essentially, when we grow spiritually, when we habituate ourselves remembering Krishna, Regularly, we practice Bhakti. We come to temple. We do our mantra jamba. We do our kija.

What happens? Initially, for us, the world is very big, and Krishna is very small. And in fact, this is what Indra says in his prayers. He says, we used to worship you before, but this Hriday Kashi was terrorizing us, and that’s why we had to stop worshiping. But as we grow spiritually, as we become advanced devotees, the world becomes small and Krishna becomes big for us.

So this was the situation of Indra, and this was the situation of Prahlad. And so although there was a huge threat for Prahlad, for him the world was small. Krishna was pleased with him and he was worshiping Krishna. So if if the world is big, then what happens? The world’s ups and downs, they also become very big.

Sometimes our mind makes them even more big. But if the world is small, then the world’s ups and downs also become very small. So that’s how, as devotees, if we practice Bakfi regularly, we will find that our resilience will increase, that life will still batter us with problems, but we won’t be that affected by the problems. The problems will not shake and shatter us to that degree because we will have a connection with our lord. And that, the lord is the bigger reality.

The lord has a bigger plan for us. So when we understand Krishna is the bigger reality, Krishna the world is smaller, Krishna will take care of things that the world will do for us. When a devotee if we have the devotional vision, what happens is, I understand that my vision is a finite vision. And this finite vision is not the final vision. The finite vision is not the final vision.

So right now, within my finite experience, I may not be seeing Krishna intervening and helping me, but this is not the final vision. There are times when Krishna is helping the past. There are times when Krishna will help me in the future. Right now, let me not make my present experience the basis of all my decisions. So Krishna, when he doesn’t seem to be active, he doesn’t seem to be doing anything.

He doesn’t seem to be concerned. He’s still active, and he’s giving us strength and certainty from within. Krishna says, if you become conscious of me, you will pass over the obstacles of the world. What does that mean? The world along with its ob along with its obstacles will become smaller.

And by my connection with you, you will become big enough to go over those problems. So Krishna’s love is seen by the peace that we experience when we go through the difficulties. When you you know that I have both here. So in February I was at 11, I was once really chanting in one of the temples in India. And when I was chanting, I didn’t notice, because somewhere, at those times, I I would not use crutches.

I used to wear a brace. My the brace had a walking stick. So I was walking, and I didn’t notice that there was a little water over there somewhere. And my leg went under the water, and I slipped. I slipped, and I completely fell.

And this leg was already very weak because of, polio, and I had osteoporosis and other things. And I felt it was a minor fall, but a severe fracture. Yes. Several hours of surgery had to be done. And I have an old friend who’s named East.

He said to me, he wrote the name and said that he was in, you were in the temple of God. You were chanting the news of God. And at that time, you had an accident. So what is the use of your worship in God? So, actually, that was one of the most transformative spiritual experiences for me.

I I fell out of this terrible pain. I tried to chant, but I just don’t focus on the chanting. See, Bhakti is our mechanic. So, one month, what the way I connect with Krishna the most is through the Bhagavad Gita. Reciting the Bhagavad Gita’s words says, remembering the Bhagavad Gita’s words says, contemplating.

So I thought Gita’s also were not just source of wisdom. They are, like, personal friends for you. So somehow, at that time, I started reciting the Gita’s verses. And I started reciting the verses of the Gita, and I felt as if the pages disappeared. I said, what happened?

Then I stopped chanting, again the pages came back. And initially, we thought it was not a very big fall. We thought it got a problem. But, the pain kept persisting. Then we went to, doctor.

The doctor’s we need his excellency, and he said, hey. This is you’ve almost been severely ill. I said, time. And I found that I was almost lifted above the fever. When I finally I came to the hospital where we have the only hospital in Mumbai, I was chanting the verses, not out of devotion to Krishna, but out of wanting to avoid the pain.

I hope one day I’ll chant my devotion. But the point was, and I told him this, see that same experience which from an atheistic perspective will be, what’s the point of worshiping God? In the temple of God, while chanting the ring of God, you fell down and you had an accident. But that same experience from an external perspective and internal perspective. Is there any doubt?

No. That was one of the experiences that convinced me about the reality of Krishna consciousness to elevate oneself, elevate us above our body situation. That doesn’t mean we get ourselves into pain unnecessarily. It’s not that we put ourselves into pain and see, let us see if I can remember it, so I can go walk. No.

Not like that. But the point is that Krishna may not seem to be intervening, but Krishna is intervening. So, Pabralla, the fact that Krishna was there was what enabled him to stay fixed in his devotion. And there are times when Krishna manifests his anger. So finally, when Hiranyakrishiko decided enough is enough, what happened?

He sent the sun back to school, and he said, let’s see. Maybe this is just a phase that can go through. Some people think when you practice Bakhtin’s satisfaction, they go away. His father said, now I will take matters in my own hands. He wanted to not just kill Prahlad himself, he first wanted to kill Prahlad’s spirit.

And therefore, he said, where is your Vishnu? You claim to worship him, Dimuganar Singh, saying he’s everywhere? Is he here in this pillar? And that’s it. Very noisy, I’m thinking.

Like, almost a matter of yeah. Of course, he’s there. And then, Hiranyakashi was fully confident that he will now prove to Allah to be false. Which the problem with the world is that often the foolish people are super confident. And the bigger problem with the world is that the wise people are super doubtful.

So atheists are confident there is no God. And thieves are worried when God is in the God, really there will God help you. But this sound was so scary. And this time when the Lord manifested, that form that had never been seen before, that form was seen. Namroka Namahamushan.

Not an animal, not a human being. Hiradekashipu had many blessings by which he thought he would never be killed. But in every blessing, there is some room bone. He could have immediately hurt Hiranyakashipu apart. But he was waiting.

He was waiting till it was sunset. And then it was sunset. Hiranyakashipu thought that, you know, see, in this particular battle, Hiranyakashipu was smaller. Normally, the odds are against the devotees. But in the similar way, he manifested it in giant form.

And Hiranyakashipu thought, I’m still winning. But then within a few moments, when the Lord saw the sunset, the twilight, he just grabbed Hiranyakashipu, dragged him to the place between the inside and outside of the room. And there, just now he was dragging an a knock and he was just trying to get out. Now Viranya Kashipu had wanted to break the spirit of her, and the Swindale broke the spirit of Viranya Kashipu. Because for her dedication, she knows, I am so powerful, I can control everyone.

And the Lord came there, but before he came there, he was completely dominated. It’s like, you know, sometimes two boxer, somebody I’m a charpit boxer, And there, one boxer catches the other boxer in one deadly group. Then I’ll go away. I can’t do anything at all. It’s reduced to complete helplessness.

And then Lord, this is what they Europeans go to India for health tourism. They get surgery done over there because it’s cheaper there. So an American came there. He said, what is this? This is the original subject.

So were they successful? Yes. Operation successful? Patient. So now lord Nasimuddin, but he was very angry at Tiranakashipu, but that anger was not towards the soul of Tiranakashipu.

And it was Prahlad also, he he saw his father being killed. He did not he did not feel joy. Oh, you tried to kill me. Now you have been killed. Nor did he feel remorse.

Oh, my father has been killed. Dad, what is his emotion? His emotions concern. Because there could be joy, but you tell it now, you try to challenge me, my devotion, that’s not what happened to me. Sometimes some devotees get pleasure in some bad happening to those who are forced to doubt.

The father was not getting that joy. And the same time, his emotion was said, oh, people will think because of me, my father was killed. His emotion not at all self centered. The emotion was centered around his father’s. He said, he did a pray to him, Narasimhadev.

Please deliver my father. And what did the Lord say? That actually, that 40 generations of a devotee’s family are all amplified because that person becomes a devotee. So for the lord, although he was angry with Rendi Gashibbu, that anger was not a when he was basking and bathing in the Lord’s presence, the Lord smiling joyfully on him, the Lord listening profusely, the Lord seeping him on his lap, the Lord putting his hand on his head, So for him, even after he got the word, the word did not suddenly come big for him. He still remains small, the Lord remains big.

So there are times in our life when we will see Krishna’s end in our life. We’ll see things happen in such a way, yeah, this this good can happen without Krishna. There is synchronicity, there is what we call serendipity. Things do happen. And there are things like that have happened in history.

So when those happen, we gain conviction from those vapes that actually Krishna is there and Krishna cares. And because Krishna cares, that is why he is he it’s not that he cared at that time, he doesn’t care now. He always cares. So let me remember your smile, Amit, I saw to him, as a sign of your confidence and competence that you can tackle in any and every problem no matter how gigantic it seems to be. So last sentence, who would like to read this?

Yes. Not that the Lord doesn’t care. If we are suffering and the Lord seems to be smiling, that doesn’t mean he does not recognize, he doesn’t care. It just means the Lord is having some plan. He’s taking his time.

He is capable. The Lord could have been killed in a negative way. The Lord let this time pass so that the world would know the glory of the beloved. And how glorious is the devotee that Sometimes it is seen through the actions that happen in the world. Many times it is seen through the actual changes that happen within our God.

In how our hearts stay steady in the love of our Lord. So let’s summarize. I talked about three main points. I talked about how we understand that Lord’s love as does Krishna care, does the Lord care? That was the compliment that.

Yes. When we were discussing this, normally, when we practice bhakti, you know, we have a certain expectation. What is God doing for me? When we go through life, we practice devotion, and we expect it to improve our worldly situation. And that’s a reasonable expectation.

But sometimes, instead of improving the worldly situation, what happens is our situation may worsen. And at that time, how do we process? So if we look at the world itself, the world’s evidence can sometimes strengthen our faith, because some things happen which can strengthen our faith. But many things can happen in the world which can weaken our faith. So that’s why we cannot rely on the world for our faith.

Then what what do we do? We turn towards scripture. And there we discuss the divine dynamic that there is the dynamic of love and anger. So the lord is never having apathy that there’s no love and no anger. The Lord never has enmity towards anyone.

So these two are not true at all. And what is true? That the Lord when his love is there, but there doesn’t seem to be any anger, there doesn’t seem to be any concern, that is where the Lord gives us serenity. The Lord helps us to experience an almost mystical calm, even when the world is a permanent place. So this is where what happens, we are here and initially the world is big and God is small for us.

But eventually what happens? The as we grow spiritually Eventually, what happens is that the world becomes for us, the world becomes small, and Krishna becomes big for us. So, this is the situation of Hralal. This is a a serious devotee. This is the situation of Indra who represents more of a materialistic kind of devotee.

So, now this serenity comes because Krishna has become bigger than the world. And we see the last part. So when there is there are times when Krishna experiences expresses intensity. Intensity is where the lord’s love becomes manifested in his word. So the lila that is performed over here, this lila and such lila, not only lila, these should become the home of our hearts.

It is by remembering these things, these past times that the lord intervened, that the lord protected devotees. The lord’s protection became manifest at a material level. Like, the he was Jagra Upadam is Jagra America, is this, like, it is written in the nectarian pastor in Jagra Jedda that is giving me strength, so this becomes the home for our cause. And then, with that, what happens? We accept that my finite vision is not the final vision.

So we, with faith, with patience, we wait. We keep maintaining our devotion to the Lord and that devotion will be vindicated. He said, Prahlad was glorified. The Lord had a bigger plan, but he did not intervene at a particular time. So maybe the Lord will intervene in this time.

And the miracles that the Lord does and miracles can sometimes be external where the situation just changes dramatically. That the miracle can also be internal, where we can be peaceful even amid the chaos. The external miracle is the chaos just disappears, the trouble disappears. The external miracle is that the trouble may remain, but we don’t really trouble. We may have it with trouble, but, you know, we live with pain rather than pain rather than in pain because we now live with our Lord.

So let us pray, you are the simile that, my dear Lord, the day you have demonstrated your Prahlad’s love for you and your love for Prahlad, Let this Ghela become the home for my heart. Let me remember that this historical evidence of your love for for those who are devoted to you, and let that remembrance sustain me In times when I feel the load, when I feel the problems are overwhelming, let me remember you, oh lord, and find serenity and shelter in strength in that remembrance. Let’s recite this once. My dear lord, can you repeat after me? My dear lord, lord.

Let your smile in. Let your smile in. Amid my suffering. Amid my suffering. Strengthen my faith.

Thankyou.

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So, during, it was one to two weeks ago, and we mentioned that everyone should have a service, and not having service is an issue. So, in our temple community, we find that devotees are naturally attracted towards different types of services, and for my sake of understanding and realization, I have categorized them into intellectual and physical services.

And I see there is a phenomenon that sometimes some devotees are naturally enthusiastic about intellectual engagements, such as kirtan, preaching, studying, discussing scriptures, when others take up physically demanding some devotees, like teaching, healing, deity worship, and maintenance and so forth, and so on. But there is sometimes imbalance, like physical services are often undervalued or neglected, leading to disorganization, payouts, some mismanagement, and sometimes even uncleanliness in the temple. And also it leads to unfair distribution of services, like some devotees have a heavy burden of physically demanding services, and I am not saying that intellectual services are not demanding physically as well as intellectually, but I feel there is unfair distribution.

And also, there is also limited opportunities for mutual growth in both categories of services. So I feel how can we, my question is how can we cultivate a more balanced and respectful culture, where all types of services are valued equally, and where devotees are given great opportunities to participate in both physical and intellectual services for the holistic growth and smooth functioning of the temple. Sorry, I just asked Chaitra to make it better, whatever I want to talk.

That’s all I am getting at. So, I don’t know how much I am qualified to answer this question because I have not done many physical services, there are few physical services I can do physically because of the situation. But, I would say that, I don’t know whether kirtan can be called as an intellectual service, but I appreciate the broad classification.

See, there are some services which are more visible and even glamorous. There are some services which will be less visible and less glamorous. Now of course there are some services which are more intellectual, intellectual can be glamorous also.

Now some intellectual services are not very glamorous also. Somebody becomes a preacher who is a crowd puller, that is much more glamorous. But somebody is a preacher who becomes a shastra teacher, you know, that person doesn’t really get new people to come, that person is cultivating devotees.

Then that’s also glamorous to some extent. But it also depends if somebody is a nice krishna katha, then that person is a crowd puller, but somebody is going to siddhanta, teaching bhakti shastra, bhakti vaibhav, there is not so much glamour in that kind of service. But broadly I appreciate the question that there are certain services which people may want to do, devotees may want to do more.

Other services devotees may not want to do. So what do we do in such situations? See there is at one side the individual and the other side is the institution. So now one principle of dharma, the word dharma has many different meanings, but one simple meaning of dharma is that harmonious belonging, that we all belong to the larger roles.

If you are travelling, if you are driving a car on the road, then we belong to the road transport system, we are participating in that. So then we are taking the facility from the road transport system and we have to do something for that road transport system, that is follow the rules, pay the taxes, whatever it is, follow the rules. So dharma essentially is harmonious belonging.

So if you are sitting for this class, if somebody sits right in front, then they are back towards the speaker. So that is just harmonious belonging. Let me disrupt you for a second.

So this harmonious belonging is dharma. So when we belong to an institution, then we also need to learn to belong harmoniously to the institution. Now harmonious belonging has to happen in both ways.

And Krishna uses the word dharma, he uses it both at the individual level and the institutional level. At the individual level Arjuna is asking, vichamiton dharmasamudhichitah, see what is the right thing for me to do? And Krishna says, dharmasamsthapanarthaya sambhavani. At that time he says, I come to establish dharma.

What does that mean? I come to establish the social order. That is virtues, that is guru. So for example, now when we are being a part of the road transport system, say if the road transport system is also just and fair, that means whoever follows the rules, they are allowed to go peacefully.

Those who break the rules, they are pulled over. They are penalized, they are fined or whatever. But if the road transport system, the legal system in this case, the law and order system is personal and partial.

Say people from one community are allowed to go free even if they break the rules. People from other community are pulled over more. Then what happens is the dharma has to work both ways.

The collective has to take care of the individual and the individual has to contribute to the collective. That’s the ideal way to practice dharma. But then it’s a dharmic society with dharmic individuals in the society.

Now from our perspective, what happens is that we are individuals, some of us may also be leaders. Then we have to play our role in contributing to the community. But then we may also be leaders who are upholding the community.

So it depends a lot on the community leaders. If the community leaders show favor or especially praise certain services, then what happens? Everybody wants to be appreciated, recognized. And that’s not a part of the ego.

That’s just a human need. The world is so big and our existence can seem so tiny even within the movement. We all want to be valued.

So whatever is the ethos that is built in the community, then that is what everyone else will want to do. So if some communities are focused very much on say, fundraising for building a temple. And then fundraisers are constantly glorifying.

Or some communities focus only on food distribution. Then food distributors are glorifying. Some communities focus on youth outreach.

Then only those who do youth outreach are glorifying. Others are not. Then what will happen is, it’s like the rewards from the community are coming especially for one group.

And everybody will want to belong to that group. And other services will get neglected. And I’ve seen this happen in almost every community.

Now naturally, the leader of the community or the leaders of the community will have certain inspiration themselves. And they’ll prioritize some things. But the challenge is when prioritizing some things, other things should not be devalued.

All of this is valuable. This is what is most valuable for us right now. So that is one big aspect that what is the dharma of the community that is being followed.

So if all these services aren’t recognized, there will be appropriate forums for recognizing those services. Say sometimes, after the Super Marathon, there may be some, or after fundraising or whatever, there’s a celebration. And there’s a, for everyone, not just for the big fundraisers, but all those who contributed to the service.

Then what happens is everybody feels valued. So that harmonious belonging requires that the harmony also come from top to the bottom. That’s one side.

The other side is from the bottom, the individual towards the institution. Within that, there is a, there is, you call it dharma and then apad dharma. Apad dharma is emergency duty, emergency emergency.

So in general, one principle of foreign ashram is everybody serve according to their nature. Now, of course, what is whose nature? That’s also, it takes some time to figure out. And if we leave it completely to individual, individuals leave it to their mind.

So what is your nature? The mind will say, whatever service you are doing right now, that is not according to the nature. But the mind always keeps us dissatisfied. There will always be some, even in the services that we like to do, there is something which we don’t like.

Isn’t it? So there’s never an ideal situation in the world. Even if somebody likes to preach, but then along with preaching, you have to make sure the logistics are right. I don’t want to arrange the logistics.

I only want to preach. Okay, then you can become a travelling preacher and others will arrange the logistics for you. But then you have to arrange the travelling.

Isn’t it? So now, even in the services, if somebody thinks I’ll only do whatever I like, then that is not the spirit of dharma. What Krishna says to Arjuna is that, sarvaarambhahi doshena dhume naagme. That every endeavour is covered by thought.

So individuals also need to recognize that we cannot just be doing what we like to do with advantage. Because even in what we like to do, there is something which we don’t like to do. And we are belonging to a community.

So sometimes we may need to do things which we may not like to do. So which we may feel is not our nature. So in general, in the initial stages of a community, devotees need to be trained or in the initial stages of spiritual life also, devotees need to be trained to do whatever service they are called to do.

And that way, that mood of service attitude is inculcated. However, as time progresses, each devotee, because we don’t just want devotees to serve, we want devotees to sustain themselves in service. And for that purpose, if a devotee can understand that sabhaav and serve according to sabhaav, then that ethos is healthy.

Because if we are serving according to our nature, we will be self-motivated in that service. Nobody else needs to push us. If somebody likes to study shastra, they will study shastra.

Nobody is watching them, so they will be studying shastra. Somebody likes kirtan, even though nobody is watching them, they will be learning new tools, they will be learning new things, they will be improving their kirtan skills. Somebody likes to keep.

Even if there is no big service, no senior devotee coming to college, they will be honing their skills. So for the purpose of longevity of a devotee, we need to eventually engage devotees in services according to their nature. What they feel naturally drawn to do, whatever they feel inspired, whatever they are talented in doing.

So one system that I have seen work in certain communities is that for the first five years, for the first three years, for the first ten years, whatever, for the first few years, the devotees are trained to do whatever services. And then after some time, by mutual discussion between the authorities and the subordinates, the devotees move towards the service of their own. And that becomes an understanding within the community.

That initially you learn service attitude, and as you grow senior, then you also understand your subhava better. And then you move towards the services that you naturally feel inspired to do. So if that principle is applied fairly, then what happens is everybody accepts that principle.

And then afterwards it moves forward. So then what happens is we give room for individuality. So like I was in Radha Gopinath community, we asked Radha Gopinath Maharaj.

Some devotees are introvert. For them to be together with people is very exhausting. Three, four of us had gone to Radha Gopinath.

Coming for the morning program, it’s like emotionally draining. It’s spiritually energizing, it’s emotionally completely draining. Just meeting people, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna.

So we asked Maharaj. Maharaj said that if that is really the case, you have been practicing bhakti for 15-20 years, you have to assess what gives you spiritual strength. Because if you don’t want to come for the morning program, you know, I trust you.

We won’t go enforcing it for those who are practicing. But if we don’t enforce it for anyone, then nobody will be trained. So there has to be some accommodation for people according to their nature.

Nature is not just permanent. Nature can be made in different ways. So the thing is that, but that cannot be made the norm right from the beginning.

So in the Radha Gopinath temple, for the first 5-10 years, devotees should be very serious about their morning program attendance. For the first 3-4 years, I am talking about the Brahmacharya Ashram family, they do whatever service they are told to do. And as they move forward then, they find themselves according to their Swabhava and they engage accordingly.

So that’s one system that has over collapsed. So the other way is that, some way, the other thing is that, when we are talking about Artha, that was the theme over here. See either the devotee has to find Artha naturally in a particular service.

For some devotees, visible services are overwhelming for them. I would much rather be in the background. That could be humility, but that could also be their nature.

They just naturally like to be in the background and do some services. Some devotees may like to do physical services and that’s great. So either the Artha comes naturally for them or the Artha has to be created.

Created means what? You have to show them the Artha. That what is the Artha over here? This is how this is. So maybe in the classes, those themes are emphasized.

Or there are some other ways in which those devotees are recognized and valued. So when that is taken care of, then it happens that both the individual and the collective. The individual training has to be there and the collective managerial vigilance also has to be there.

So that then, there are different kinds of Artha that will take us towards Paramartha. So it’s like, we can say this is Paramartha and this is Artha. So if people start thinking that there is only one path from here, that say for example, during Prabhupada’s time there was a notion that who distributes for peace, Prabhupada not.

That is true. When Prabhupada was asked, what pleases you the most? He said, Love Krishna. So it is not that there is one path from here to here.

And then everybody, whichever service and only then you can grow towards Krishna. That’s not the understanding. We have had some very moving stories of devotees who were never visible and very prominent features and then the last moment they had some extraordinary experience of Krishna and they were all in the background doing some small services.

So the idea is, it is from wherever you are, wherever we find Artha, from there we can move towards Paramartha. So there is a story of Prabhupada’s in Vrindavan and there was one widow. Prabhupada would see from her window that every morning she would go and pluck flowers even if it was cold and she would go and sometimes she would wake up the Pujari and tell these are the flowers for the ladies.

And Prabhupada said that because she is doing this service, she will go back to Krishna. So it is not, if we create that ethos that every service can actually take you closer to Krishna and that we value you for the service. Naturally based on the phase in which the community is, some services will be glorified more than others.

So generally in the morning program we glorify the book distributions. That itself leads to that book distribution being glorified as a very important service. We don’t mention any other services.

Now other services are also quantified. In some temples they don’t just glorify the book distribution, they also add fundraisers. They say this person raised this much funds, this much funds.

Now okay, that was not the tradition but maybe that is required at that particular time. But then we can’t make a list of all the services that are done throughout the day and make it less glorified. Within the existing system, some services may be glorified.

But then it is important to create the system for appreciating and valuing other services also. So it’s like that Artha has to be going back to this particular diagram. So it is that individual should feel the Artha in that thing and the collective should also create that sense of Artha.

When both happen, then it will move forward very nicely. So I was once a judge with Maharaj and we were talking various things. I said Maharaj, what has given you faith in Krishna Consciousness? We often ask questions, what brought you to Krishna Consciousness? So once I was trying to start a podcast, what kept you in Krishna Consciousness? I am going to talk about all the skeletons in our closet for that.

So I often ask this to devotee at an individual level. So Maharaj was amazing. He said that there is a Pujari in Vrindavan.

He first departed. He said that Pujari whenever I go to Vrindavan, I see him. He is an elderly devotee.

Sometimes he does Pujari service. He is there Sarvanchana. So he said that he has been there for years.

He is not a very well-known devotee. He is not a world-famous devotee. That the devotee has been able to do this service year after year after year is the proof that Krishna Consciousness is there.

That without any recognition by the world that he is getting some satisfaction. That’s why he is doing the service. And now that is a remarkable level of recognition.

There is no recognition in the institutional apparatus. But one particular institution is recognizing this is important. So we need to have that system of Artha.

Infusing Artha or infusing value and meaning to his services. And of course devotees need to be encouraged to see the Artha in the service. So both may happen.

It is possible that the community can be properly taken care of. And so the temples or the organizations needs, the devotees needs and the community needs. Both can be harmonized.

So tension, it needs continuous monitoring and discussion and negotiation. But it is possible.

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So, I was trying to understand how in Lord Rama’s pastime, his Altha was to be a king, but he, his role was, I mean he was Lord himself, so his Parmartha also is like, it’s like kind of serving his own self, right? He’s the Lord. And in that context, I want to understand when Mother Sita was, when he told Lakshmana to meet Mother Sita in the ashram, when she was carrying the avankur. So, would you like to elaborate like in this context, like what was played out in his mind and it was, what was his priority, you know, in terms of his Altha and Parmartha? Would I like to elaborate? No.

Some pastimes are very difficult to understand and sometimes you cannot get, to get a satisfactory understanding of this. All that you can get is the least unsatisfactory understanding. So, I will share with you the understanding that I find least unsatisfactory.

I have written books on the Ramayana and I’m trying to write future also and this is, I have many scholars in the Ramayana, in our tradition, outside the tradition, I have talked with them, tried to read the traditional commentaries, whatever are available, but it is a very difficult pastime to go through all of it. So, we talked about it. The key point is that there is context.

Generally speaking, the principle is that if an action does not make sense, if I do good, if I am polite with you and you are rude with me, I can say that you are a terrible person or I’m a, I’m a worthless person. Or I can say maybe we have some history from behind, because of which this is happening. So, there are, that way, the world makes sense, but it doesn’t make sense in this context.

So, in the immediate context, there is no way you can make sense. If a man abandons his pregnant wife over an unproven allegation or rather an allegation that has been proven to be false, that man would not be considered even an ordinarily responsible person, what to speak of an ideal person. And if a civilization or a culture considers such a person to be ideal, that civilization should be condemned.

So, the point is that in the immediate context, there is no denying that it does not make any sense. So, if we consider only the dynamic of the husband-wife relationship, the context of the husband-wife relationship. So, then, so this is the immediate context, the husband and wife relationship.

So, in this context, it’s no sense at all. So, then sometimes we may have to put it in a bigger context. Lakshana Prabhupada says that sometimes in a family, the mother-in-law may chastise her own daughter to instruct her daughter.

So, that daughter may say, I am not doing anything wrong, but I am being chastised and she also understands, this is not meant for the daughter. So, like that, sometimes you speak one thing to one person, but somebody else is hearing. That thing is not meant for that person, that thing is meant for the other person.

But this person can become indignant. Why are you speaking this to me? I never did this. Understand, I have a purpose.

I’ll tell you later. It’s like that. So, in the context, it does not make any sense.

So, now we can broaden the context. So, there are four levels of broadening that are possible. The first level of broadening is that Lord Ram is a husband, but he’s also a king.

Now, he has a relationship with the healer. And in one sense, in that cultural context, for Lord Ram to be with his wife, who was suspected of something inappropriate, that would have reflected that he was attached to her. And he was excessively attached to her.

And because of that Rajdharma, he had to choose between Rajdharma and pati. And he chose the Rajdharma at that particular time. And that is a sacrifice.

It is. Now, if you see, so one context is Rajdharma, he has chosen as more important than the patidharma. So, it is clear that he is not rejecting her as a person.

And how do we know that? Three things. First is he does not remarry. He’s a king, he could easily remarry.

Now, he maintains her word to him. His word to him that I’ll be a king. Apart from that, not only does not he maintain his word to her, he also does not think it’s a royal duty.

When he has to perform yajna, the brahmanas say you need to have your wife with you. So, he actually creates a golden effigy of her. And he puts that golden effigy next to her.

So, now, which person do you even like? If you keep the photo of a person in your home, we keep the photo of people whom we love and respect. Now, if somebody has disgraced our family, sometimes some cultures are very reputation conscious or honor conscious. And if some person has disgraced that family, they will actually like deny the existence of that person.

They will not keep any photo in public. Even if there are albums, they will delete that person’s photo from there. Like erase that person’s existence.

Far from erasing her existence, Lord Ram actually makes an effigy of her and puts that in the yajna. Yajna is a place where he is putting that there itself is an indication that he has not rejected her. So, not only has he not rejected her, he does not even believe that accusation.

Because if he considers her impure for a pure activity like a yajna, he will not put her there. And even the brahmanas don’t object to it. So, it is not her purity that is being asked.

And the third thing is, and although the word banishment can be used, that he banished her, it’s not in the same sense in which Ram himself was banished. Because he sent her to Valmiki’s ashram. And Valmiki’s ashram was in Lord Ram’s yajna.

So, it is not that Valmiki’s ashram was being troubled by Rakshasas or being predators and she wasn’t physically there. So, in one sense, she was indirectly in his protection. So, now, what exactly about the Raja Dharma? This is where Indian culture, American culture are different.

The idea of a person renouncing his family for the sake of the larger good. That’s something in Indian culture it’s understood. The current Indian Prime Minister, he has a wife but he doesn’t, he has never spent much time with his wife.

He doesn’t have children. So, even Gandhiji was materially renounced. Some killers were not.

But in the Indian ethos, like giving up the family for the sake of a larger cause is something which is accepted, even respected. But I’ve seen in America, people just don’t understand this. Because America, they have a culture of the first lady.

That, you know, it’s like you cannot be the president unless you have a, every politician generally, especially top politicians, they have to go with their family. And often they will put, they’ll proudly say, although I am the president, my family comes first. And so that, that is a very different value system.

So, to some extent, the idea of Lord Ram sacrificing pati dharma for raja dharma, it’s understandable for Indians. For Americans, it becomes much more difficult to understand. But this, in the bigger context, now how would it have affected his being a king? It’s a very cultural, contextual thing.

So, at that particular time, there was a particular time when purity of women was considered extremely important. Anyone, even in Europe, in the European tradition, the Caesar’s wife should be above suspicion. So, that was, you could say, it’s an unfair standard of purity that is expected of a woman.

And especially in her case, she was not consenting at all. And all that is true. But every culture has its own ways of functioning.

Now, what is that in the first context? That the raja dharma is prioritized over the pati dharma. Having said this, none of the acharyas who have commented on the Ramayana, or even the tradition of the Ramayana, considers this as the behavior to be normalized and adopted by everyone. India has one of the strongest family structures.

In the West, families are falling apart. In India also, it’s happening, unfortunately. But it’s much lesser.

The family structure is very resilient. And no book has inspired the Indian mind as much as the Ramayana. So, if a core teaching of this book is that reject your wife over an unsubstantial allegation, then that culture would not have been so family-friendly, or family support would be so family-emphasizing.

So, within the tradition itself, from the story of the Ramayana, certain teachings are emphasized, certain teachings are not emphasized. And the Ramayana commentators of Sri Vaishnava tradition, they say that even Lakshman’s following Ram is not to be imitated. That Sita is going with Ram, then they are a family unit.

That is to be imitated. Lakshman’s following Ram is glorious because Ram is God. But Lakshman’s following Ram is actually unfair for Ramayana.

So, he’ll take her with him. So, even that is not to be imitated. So, that’s why one of the key principles in understanding a text is to see how the tradition that has emerged from the text understands the text.

So, this is certainly not something to be imitated. Now, the second context you could put it in is the context of previous life. Like I said, the Lord does not have a previous life and that is true.

But there is a story given in the Ramayana itself of a case where I won’t go into the full story, but Bhrigu Muni, his wife, I think her name is Kirti. So, there is a demon who has been chased by, who has been terrorizing the universe and that demon has been chased by, finally at a particular opportune time, Lord Vishnu borders him, is about to kill him. The demon flees and takes shelter in the ashram of Bhrigu Muni, where Khyati is there.

He says, please save me. And Khyati says, I will protect you. And Vishnu says, no, this is a terrible demon, I have to kill him.

Vishnu’s Khyati says, no, he has taken shelter of me, I am not going to kill him. Lord Vishnu says that this is a terrible demon. If we don’t kill him at this time, he will continue terrorizing and destroying the universe.

I have to kill him right now, this is the only time available. He says, no, I cannot let him, he has taken shelter of me. Then he says, for the sake of the universe, I have to kill you to kill him.

He says, whatever you do, I am not going to let you. Then Lord Vishnu kills Khyati and then he comes back. He is aghast.

Lord Vishnu says, this is what happened and I can revive Khyati right now for you. He says, how could you have killed a woman, you were meant to protect her. He says, just as you have caused me to suffer separation from my wife, I curse you, that you will suffer separation from your wife.

So, now the Lord is beyond all curses, but the Lord of Greece fully accepts that curse. So, that curse later comes back. So, when a curse from previous life acts, it may seem to have no rationale in this life.

So, that is another bigger context. So, Sita herself was blameless, but it was something from the previous life that was blamed. And the third is, so that is the context of the book itself and the mood of the book or the mood of the larger leela.

See, in general, the Ramayana’s mood is the mood of sacrifice. That, you see, Ram did not have to go on exile. Ram could have rebelled against his father and father.

But Ram did not do that. So, you know, Dasharatha is not a victimizer and Ram is not a victim. Both of them are caught in a circumstance.

Now, to some extent, we can understand this circumstance, but at least even now, the idea of honoring one’s word is something which people do respect. Although I have seen young people ask the question, just clearly, why did Ram even have to go to the forest? He said, you know, Dasharatha had given a word at a particular time. He said, this is blind obedience to somebody else’s word.

So, we could say that, we could question that also. But at least it’s understandable. Now, what happens is this is seen as noble, Ram’s nobility, Ram’s selflessness.

But Ram doesn’t become bitter towards Dasharatha and Dasharatha does not, is not angry with Ram. There is no fault on Ram’s side. So, that same spirit of sacrifice that Ram and Dasharatha, when Sita goes with Ram, Sita is giving up, Sita is giving up the kingdom, Lakshman is giving up the kingdom, that mood of sacrifice is the consistent theme of the Ramayana.

And finally, what Dasharatha does to Ram, Ram has to do to Sita. So, it is not that Ram is the victimizer and Sita is the victim. Just that Dasharatha is not the victimizer and Sita is not, Ram is not the victim.

Both Ram and Sita are caught in a circumstance. That circumstance is an unfortunate circumstance. And both of them have to participate in a sacrifice.

It’s a painful sacrifice. Just that Dasharatha does not celebrate when Ram goes away. Ram does not celebrate, oh this impure woman in my life, I got rid of her.

There is absolutely no celebration. And just as Ram is not bitter towards Dasharatha, Sita is heartbroken when Ram rejects her. Ram rejects also is a strong word, but Ram abandons her, whatever you want to say.

But she understands, she is heartbroken. At a level of emotion, she is completely shattered. But I understand why he has done this.

And the test that she accepts is that she does not poison her children’s mind about her. If there is a messy divorce in which, say one person feels that the other person has betrayed me, has manipulated me, has wronged me, and quite often the children are poisoned by it. So she does not do that.

So is she pained by it? Is she heartbroken by it? Definitely. But is she bitter? Is she vindictive? Not at all. So the mood of sacrifice, of putting a larger principle above one’s personal pleasure, that is the consistent mood of Ram.

This is Jata. You could have said that, why should I fight against Raavan? He is clearly younger than me, faster than me. Sita does not fight against him.

She is like, how can I just stand by and let him be abducted? Whatever it means by that, I have to try to fight it. So it is a sacrifice. The sacrifice can come in many different forms.

The broader principle of sacrifice is what has been discussed. So these three contexts, the context of a larger dharma, the context of the previous life, and the context of the purpose of the Leela, can help us make sense of that pastime to some extent. Still, the problem comes with twofold.

One is that this pastime is often seen through the feminist lens, that Ram is a man, and he is a male authority figure, and Sita is a woman, and she is victimized. Unfortunately, there have been many instances of patriarchal abuse of power, and then that all becomes very messy. But it does not have to be seen through that lens.

So when we see through that lens, then it becomes outrageous, unacceptable and outrageous. But that is not the lens that the Ramayan is seen through. That is not the lens in which the Ramayan tradition is encouraging us to So as I said, it has never become the norm in Indian society that a woman should be abandoned or rejected because of some unsuspecting actions.

So that is one problem. And the second is that quite often there are some traditions, some commentators who say that this pastime is interpolation. Now, even there are some scholars who go in that favor, and they say it’s interpolation by some people.

Now, no one would be happier than me if this were interpolation in one sense. It would be a big relief. But it’s difficult to make that argument because the traditional Uttarkhand, sometimes people say the whole Uttarkhand is interpolation.

But our prominent Acharyas have not spoken like that. In the Srivastava tradition, they have written commentaries on this. And there are songs about Sita’s agony, Ram’s agony.

So this is definitely an inconvenient part of our tradition. But then, convenience is not necessarily the way we learn about lessons of transcendence. So if somebody wants to take that interpolation argument, I mean, it’s up to them.

But generally in the tradition, that’s not what has been taken.

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Why does Krishna describe about Ashtanga Yoga in 5.27 and 28?

Three broad understandings can be there. Krishna has given the stage of perfection in the preceding verses, especially 5.25 and 26 and he is giving alternative pathways to that perfection.

After he has talked about Karma Yoga practice leading to that perfection and thus he talks about Dhyana Yoga which he will be elaborating in the 6th chapter and Bhakti Yoga which he will be elaborating in chapter 7 to 12 and which he points to in 5.29. Of course, because Krishna himself does not explicitly give any clear indications of the reason for that particular thought flow, we can only look at the context as well as the commentaries and try to figure out what is happening and see whether whatever insights we get actually make sense to us. The other point is that Krishna is focusing on the principle that the realization that is got about Brahman because he has largely used the word Brahma and not used any reference to himself till now in the 5th chapter. So, that understanding can be further deepened and evolved through the practice of Dhyana Yoga which will culminate in Bhakti Yoga and which will help a person understand that the highest realization of spiritual reality is to see not Brahman but Krishna and it is that which will give a person the ultimate unadulterated peace which is what is lacking in Arjuna’s life and which is what has led to the breakdown which led him to inquire about the Bhagavad Gita and that flow towards a deeper realization of the ultimate reality will happen in the next chapter which culminates in 6.47 with even the yogis getting the realization that the highest reality is Krishna himself.

So whereas the first analysis focuses on the progression of the paths with the future descriptions being given a preview here, the second explanation focuses on the progression of the sadhya of the understanding of the ultimate reality and this does not require the notion of a preview but this is just a progression and how to progress toward that higher realization will be described in the subsequent chapters.

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